It is also very expensive and represents a big investment. Learn how we can help your organization meet its professional development goals and corporate training needs. In many instances, not being open and honest can lead to serious consequences down the line when you are applying for admission for the bar. We will write to you and invite you to apply. It really doesn’t matter who writes the letter — a professor or teaching assistant — as long as the writer knows you personally and can speak (hopefully positively) about your abilities. Thanks, Don. At the same time, the admissions committee doesn’t want to “hold” people unnecessarily if they think they are not going to be competitive during the regular admissions process. AD: I guess those statistics certainly do seem a little bit scary, but if you are going to get in, then you are going to get in and you’re better off knowing that early rather than later.
For three years in a row, we had all-time records in terms of numbers of applicants. I live four or five miles from the law school. Publications.
RS: That’s great. Rob is currently employed as a full-time independent college counselor in Southern California. There are merit-based fee waivers and there are need-based fee waivers. AD: That’s interesting. What I would say is that if you want to look at the rankings, then you should look at the methodology that US News uses to create them and then decide whether you agree with their methodology — if the things they measure are important to you. AD: Got it.
Or not. RS: Last year, about 40% of our applicants received a fee waiver. The purpose of the email was to help out an alumnus and, at the same time, provide an opportunity for a current student with an interest in entertainment law to get to know this individual who has a very successful practice at a large firm here in Los Angeles.
AD: Okay. I can only speak for UCLA Law.
I guess the major impact we’ve seen is that graduates have needed to take more initiative to find that first job. The application process ended right there. RS: You know, we don’t have a set policy on canceled scores. I know that the student who was ultimately selected was very happy to have had that introduction — certainly not for the money, but simply for the networking opportunity. RS: That’s right. RS: You’ll have to come over!
Another factor is how well a student interviews given how competitive it is out there. Rob Schwartz joined the UCLA School of Law in October 2006, after serving for 11 years as the Dean of Admissions at the Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law of Yeshiva University. UCLA’s tuition, like the tuition for UC Hastings Law, another California state school, is pushing $40,000 for in-state students and $50,000 for out-of-state students. So what separates the folks who you know are having an easier time finding a job from those who are having a tougher time? There are literally hundreds of rankings students can create based on what criteria matter to them. AD: [Editor’s Note: For those who have not yet heard about this story, AboveTheLaw.com reported in the summer of 2010 about an email that UCLA law students received from UCLA Law’s administration about a short-term, $12-an-hour job opportunity for any interested student to chauffeur an entertainment lawyer (and UCLA Law alum) to and from his appointments in LA.]. Remember Me Where do I live?
Can you give us a quick profile of what you hope to see when you open up an applicant’s file? Venice Beach? For some students, that means it’s taking longer to land their first full-time, permanent position. So if the overall number of law students who matriculate probably won’t change all that much, then the smaller applicant pool simply means that your admissions process becomes a little less competitive, right? Since 2000 We have on-campus apartments. But recognize that since we put a lot of weight on an applicant’s highest score, if you have a bad day or tough circumstances on the day of the test, then, sure, take it again. You need to still think a lot about what factors are important to you in choosing a school. How much weight do they carry for you?
Don’t try to rack your brain thinking about something you are going to write about that’s going to be so special.
The other jobs-related observation I would make is that we’re seeing the market pick up a bit this year, so that’s an encouraging sign. Does that make sense?
Robert Schwartz Assistant Dean of Admissions UCLA School of Law I’ve been the dean of admissions at UCLA School of Law for the past 13 years. Every file is reviewed by at least two people before a final decision is reached.
However, there are definitely others who are easily obtaining positions before they graduate.
AD: They are successful once they start at UCLA Law?
AD: Well, according to AboveTheLaw.com, UCLA students may be specially equipped to handle the mean streets of LA. Last year, we were ranked 15th, and I think for two or three years we have been at that level. Rob's main contention is that there is more misinformation and inappropriate/illogical information spouted by American media outlets that leads families astray when it comes to college (overall) and college admission. RS: Not necessarily. RS: Well, I think there are two different answers to that question.
RS: I guess so, but I don’t understand what you’re getting at. AD: So, I take it, you do get your fair share of “… and this is why I want to go to USC School of Law?”. Everybody is unique, so be yourself and if it’s a good fit it will work out. AD: Dean Schwartz, I think I have got it all. Prior to joining HRL (1981) I was a Professor of Physical Chemistry If so, take steps to correct it now. Seriously, though, students live throughout the West LA area. In this day of spell-check software, a word may be spelled correctly but it’s not the right word so it’s really important to proofread it very, very carefully. So, for instance, if a student wants to rank law schools on the West Coast based on the highest bar passage rates and the lowest class sizes, then they can rank those schools. AD: We started AdmissionsDean.com in November of 2009 so it’s just over a year.
RS: Well, we admitted probably 70-75 to enroll 35. Usually at our request, the faculty is involved but there are some exceptions. It’s really more a function of when their file is complete and when their law school gets their grades into us.
But the point of a binding early decision process is that applicants will withdraw their applications from other law schools because UCLA Law is their first choice and where they want to go to law school.
I retired from the Hughes Research Laboratories (Malibu, CA) in 2000. RS: It’s such commonsense: proofread carefully and be sure to write “UCLA Law” rather than another law school’s name in the personal statement. Let’s shift gears a little bit and talk about UCLA Law’s application for a bit.
So how would you counsel a student? of Colorado, 1968. I am hearing from other law schools that more firms have been on campus this year, and that last year’s drastic cut in hiring might have been an overreaction by firms who wanted to sit back and wait for the economy to pick up.
So the process is to have one of the seven reviewers in your office to review an application and make a recommendation either to admit or deny? AD: Do you think that there is a possibility that the applicant pool might be just as competitive even though it’s smaller? In many cases, people are admitted to UCLA with solid (but certainly not the highest) academic credentials, precisely because of these other factors that I just mentioned. This has created a real bottleneck which has most greatly hurt the class that graduated in the spring of 2010 — which probably accounts for a lot of the negative press recently.
RS: Well, like most things, that’s up to each individual.
Do you want to clear the air? AD: How does the faculty get involved?
We also look for evidence of leadership, any unusual life experiences — basically any factor that indicates the applicant will significantly diversify the student body or otherwise make a distinctive contribution here at UCLA Law and later to the legal profession. of Chemistry & Biochemistry. Again, it just goes back to it being a no-brainer that you should apply early decision if UCLA Law is your first choice. What are UCLA Law’s numbers on those? I have been a consultant for various companies including the Quantum I never thought of that. Rob has been an active member of the Law School Admission Council (LSAC), serving on several committees including the Services and Programs Committee, the Annual Meeting and Educational Conference Committee and the New Admissions Personnel Workshop Committee. Faculty are involved. and the optical spectroscopy of rare earth ions in insulators and semiconducting
AD: Alright, let’s put all the gossip aside and talk about early decision applicants. Robert N. Schwartz, University of California, Los Angeles, Electrical Engineering Department, Department Member. It wasn’t a career position that was being advertised by the Career Services Office. AD: Yes, it does. Robert has 1 job listed on their profile. RS: I would want them to give some serious thought about whether the law is truly a passion for them and not simply a career path because they don’t know what else to do after college.
You have got to obtain a letter from somebody who knows you well and who has seen you demonstrate the skills that you are going to be using at UCLA Law. That’s why we flat out rejected approximately 220 students who applied early decision — so they can now make other plans. Cost is definitely one factor, and financial aid is another. We have more in-state transfer applicants than out-of-state, but not by a lot. RS: I just found out about that recently. RS: Yes. AD: Got you. AD: UCLA Law’s ED program is binding, correct? Have others proofread it, too, but ultimately it’s your responsibility because it’s your personal statement. And, as with personal statements, we receive a significant number of letters every year that are not entirely positive and this is something that is so much in the applicants’ control. RS: And there are two types. We really try to find those attributes that will help us assemble as diverse class as possible. Sure, there are probably large differences between schools ranked at the very top of the list on the one hand and those schools ranked at the very bottom on the other hand.
As far as functions go, for some of the staff that’s all they do.
AD: And how many folks did you admit, hold, or deny?
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